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In 2006 Dr Martin gave a fireside chat to the Arlington Institute in Washington DC about the sequence of events that, if viewed objectively, could only lead to what we now know as the Global Financial Crisis.


Dr Christine McDougall wanted to recreate this Fireside chat 10 years later, specifically looking at the coming collapse of 2017, and what communities can do to build a more resilience local economy.

We commence with history, then move to the present, then consider what Australia can do as a Nation and what local communities can do.

This is Part 1. Part 2 is a Q@A.

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Integral Accounting is both an operating system and a way of being in the world that honours and reveals the true value already present in all dimensions of life. Most people approach the world through a type of uni-dimensional awareness. The form of dimensional constraint to which we’ve all become accustomed limits value to a single dimension we call “Money”.

But what would the world be like if we expanded our notions of value beyond a single dimension of money and into four, five, or even six dimensions. How would the world appear if we honored the dimension of money and recognized its role, but also perceived value across multiple domains and categories previously ignored or unnoticed. Integral Accounting upgrades our operating system so that we can see the value that is already present everywhere and in everything, no matter what the circumstances.  Equipped with the optics of Integral Accounting, we begin to realize that everything we need for the next step on our journey (professionally, socially, personally) is already here. With the lens of Integral Accounting, we see that the world is perfectly abundant exactly as it is.


This call was recorded with a live virtual audience on Monday 15th December 2014, Australian time, as the events in Sydney Martin Place were unfolding, were a gunman had seized hostages in the Lindt Coffee Shop.

As I write this and upload this audio, the outcomes of this hostage event has not been resolved.

If you are interested in the three day event on the Gold Coast, January 9/10/11, 2015, please visit http://blog.223am.com/events/

If you are interested in future events, please send an email to christine@223am.com and I will add you to the list.

If you have any specific questions about this event, or the work of Dr Martin, or 2.23am, then please send me an email. christine@223am.com

Thank you for listening.





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©Rebecca Emily DrobisAll Rights ReservedAuthor Daniel Pink

2:23AM Podcast, Season #1, Episode #16  - Dan Pink, Best Selling Author; Drive, To Sell is Human

Lucky me got to chat with Dan Pink. I have followed Dan since I read A Whole New Mind. So it was lovely when one of my friends and supporters of 2:23AM made the personal introduction.

I am always fascinated by the threads that resonate strongly through peoples lives, and with Dan it has been his commitment and tenacity to bring social and cultural research to a global audience in  a way that makes sense and challenges some of our deeper assumptions about work, and what motivates us.  And the extraordinary commitment Dan has to make his message come alive for people, landing in simplicity...certainly the simplicity on the other side of complexity.

Enjoy this episode.

To listen on itunes, soundcloud, stitcher, to download, or stream below.


Daniel H. Pink is the author of five provocative books — including three long-running New York Times bestsellers, A Whole New Mind, Drive, and To Sell is Human. Dan’s books have been translated into 34 languages and have sold more than 2 million copies worldwide.  He is also host and co-executive producer of “Crowd Control,” a new television series about human behavior on the National Geographic Channel. He lives in Washington, DC, with his wife and their three children.

Show notes

*What inhabits Dan's center a lot is a sense of challenge. "Can I do something in a different way, can I master this set of material? Can I explain something that sheds light for people?" Plus a desire to make a tiny contribution.

*Dan is an intensely rational person

*Dream dinner guest, Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed - they have far greatest impact in terms of quantity of people reached, plus this dinner would enable Dan to turn the conversation into a great book. What do they make of what is going on in the world today? Get them to put their three heads together and have them tell us what they would do today.

*There is an element of morality in goodness that is rational. Certain aspects of morality are encoded in our DNA.

*"Obscurity is a much greater problem than piracy"

*Big five traits - openness, conscientiousness, extroversion, agreeableness, neuroticism

*Conscientiousness has become a very important predictor of flourishing and effectiveness

*Dan goes through his writing process with us



Dan Pink, web site

Free Agent Nation

The Adventures of Johnny Bunko - The Last Career Guide You Will Ever Need

A Whole New Mind - Why Right Brainers Will Rule the Future

Drive - The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us

To Sell is Human

Dan's TED talk, seen by over 12 million people

Crowd Control, National Geographic

Carol Dwerk and her work on Mindsets

The Progress Principle by Teresa Amabile and Steven Kramer

Drive Workshops

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 Brad Krauskopf- Change the way you work - coworking spaces

2:23AM the Podcast - Season #1, Episode #15 - Brad Krauskopf- Change the way you work - coworking spaces

Brad Krauskopf would easily be one of the world experts in co-working spaces. He see's the future of work as a combination of co-working and the more traditional office. Brad has a phenomenal vision for how we work, and the entrepreneurial, business and charismatic ability to pull it off. Watch this space.

To listen on itunes, soundcloud, stitcher, to download.



CEO & Founder – Third Spaces Group

Brad Krauskopf activates spaces that grow the collaborative capacity of individuals, businesses and cities. He is an entrepreneur, innovator and speaker.

As CEO of Third Spaces Group, Brad is committed to catalysing a national network of smart work hubs that changes the way Australia works. Since 2011, he has founded Hub Australia, CoActiv8 and Platform 3 to help realise this goal.

Hub Australia, Australia’s largest coworking community works with small and large organisations across Australia to drive innovation through collaboration across sectors, disciplines and generations. As pioneers of coworking in Australia, Hub Melbourne, Hub Sydney and Adelaide are all visited by hundreds of people every week for working, learning and creating.

CoActiv8, works with corporate and government clients across Australia to setup, manage and operate collaborative and flexible workspaces.

Platform Three provides shared marketing and technology services for work hubs and has developed an integrated member and operating platform – MESH Spaces.

Brad is a strong advocate for creating impact beyond profit and has committed all of his companies to achieve BCorp certification by early 2015. Hub Australia was a founding BCorp in Australia.

A career entrepreneur, Brad has previously led businesses in event management, technology and has lived, studied and worked in both Spain and the U.S.

Brad was named Australia's Small Business Ambassador for 2013 by the Council of Small Business in Australia.

 Show notes

*The future of work and people's relationship to work - we we are always on, always connected

*Liberated work or free range work - a new way of working - people choose the work and their lifestyle

*About 40% of workers have some form of liquidity in their work - are in the independent workforce. The lines are blurring between being a freelancer and being employed

*How do you combine people and ideas to form new products or services that add value? The people that can become masters at collaboration and coming up with new ideas are creating the new capital

*At Hub Adelaide - brought together government, local small businesses and youth entrepreneurs, groups of people who might not have otherwise come together...resulted in youth entrepreneurs creating nine businesses

*One of the key things that underlie Hub is that is it a fail free zone

*Chaordic space - between chaos and order - requires a deliberate but light touch in the curation of the space

*People coming to co-working spaces for the possibility of what might happen when they come together

*Two required roles; the Space Host- makes the space feel welcome and authentic and the Community Manager- builds the connections between everyone

*GSD = getting shit done

*Fail free zone - no-one brings their position title into the HUB. Everyone's on the same level. This allows an opening up for surprise

*A space is not sufficient for collaboration. You need a diversity of spaces

*When the members become the hosts you see the community come alive

*The host is not there to get you a coffee, they are there to get you a connection

*When the founder of a start up actually enjoys what they are working on and where they are working it trumps any good idea

*The next boom in Australia is harnessing the knowledge capital of the really diverse talent we have across Australia

*How do we catalyze a national network of work hubs, 100's even 1000's of work hubs across Australia, in regional areas as well?

*By 2025 75% of the work force will be Gen Y. Flexibility, global workforce, all second nature to Gen Y. If you do not change to embrace this as a company the Gen Y people will leave for another company

*How would we create the organisation of the future from what we know now?

*The combination of distributed nodes and centralised networks

*The forth space...between the virtual and the physical

*It's actually much easier working in a silo. Collaboration is hard. But worthwhile and needed




To find Brad on Linkedin

To find Brad on Twitter: @BradKrauskopf

Third Space

Hub Australia





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2:23AM The podcast, Season #1, Episode #14 - AJ Leon, Chief Misfit - breaking all the rules, building a global business

2:23AM The podcast, Season #1, Episode #14 - AJ Leon, Chief Misfit - breaking all the rules, building a global business, becoming a socialist entrepreneur

I first met AJ via an interview I did with him 2 years ago. Within a year of that interview AJ and Melissa Leon were guests in my home on the first stop on their global pre-book launch tour. AJ's story is the one many want to be able to tell, but few have the courage to enact. Evacuating the trap of the soulless job and the lure of lots of money and stepping into the abyss, determined to forge paths created at the intersection of the life wanting to be lived and work wanting to be expressed.

The 2:23AM podcast project is about interviewing people who are re-writing the rules of business and life and following their journey over the course of a few years. AJ is truly the first to occupy this space, as we now have two years of his journey captured in audio. Please take the time to be inspired by the first interview.

Enjoy this episode.

To listen on itunes, soundcloud, stitcher, to download, or stream below.


Bio, in AJ's words

'I used to be an unremarkably average financial executive in Manhattan. I made six figures, had an outrageous bonus package and a corner office overlooking the greatest city in the world.  The problem was I didn’t care about any of these things.  I was passionless about my work.  And of course, I hated myself for trading the hours of my life away for more money at every turn.  On December 31, 2007, I left my six figure, crazy bonus, Manhattan corner office job.  Not for a raise.  Not in a vertical move to another company. Not to get a change of scene.  But to stop, once and for all, living some other dude’s life.  That day I realized two things.  There was more to life than working a job you hate, and more importantly, there was more to me than could ever be expressed in a place with so many rules.'

Now AJ runs about 6 businesses with 20 staff all with no fixed address.

Show Notes

*The best dressed gypsy in the world

*Million Miracles with Sight Savers

*Runs a company that maps to his interests

*The act of making things is intoxicating

*Three people trading bagels back in 2008

*Desire to create a team that sticks together forever

*Profitability takes the passenger seat

*Build a company around the life he wanted to lead

*Evacuated a life plan that had gone horribly wrong, started Misfit with nothing

*Wrote letters to his younger self, introduced himself to his younger self, the dreamer

*A life of purpose and meaning and adventure..

*Everything he did at Misfit was something he would be proud of

*All staff at Misfit Inc..."You will never ever work on something you are not proud of"

*Socialist Entrepreneur - most companies are created to serve a founder, but not in Misfit, AJ pays himself no more than 20% higher than the lowest paid staff, is the 7th highest paid person in the company at present (20 staff from around the world)

*Hard to define what we do...a name and a community and 6 different businesses that extend from it...the opposite of all 'traditional' business advise

*There is always room at Misfit for Innovation and R@D

*Big student of history - The Rockefeller's etc...they built things...so invested hugely in learning  how to build digital platform's...then no matter what idea he had he could build it

*Creative digital agency provides the seed capital to do the other things

*There are still economic gradients in areas of high poverty...the successful farmers in a village in sub Sahara Africa adopted a strategy where the majority of his acreage was with the subsistence foods, and a small percentage was for new crops that may or may not take off

*Best quitter in the world when he needs to be

*85 year old Cuban grandmother has always told him...keep moving forward, never stop



*Misfit Inc

*Million Miracles

*Original recording with AJ, telling his story of creating Misfits Inc (very inspirational)


*Fargo event

*AJ Leon blog

If you love this episode please rate the show on itunes...it supports getting the word out to more people...in gratitude.

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2:23AM The podcast, Season #1, Episode #13 - Don Beck -Spiral Dynamics, on the Middle East and natural systems design

I met Don in the early 2000's when I went to Boulder Colorado to study Spiral Dynamics with him. Elza Maalouf was in the same class. Don also came to Australia several times and ran a three day workshop for a small group of us on the Gold Coast. Understanding Spiral Dynamics changed my world, enabling me to see global and local issues in a far more comprehensive way. My teacher of 27 years, R.Buckminster Fuller, talked about trim tabs, small actions that make massive change. Spiral Dynamics when handled by a spiral wizard, is a trim tab. Don is a spiral wizard. I hope you enjoy this episode.

To listen on itunes, soundcloud, stitcher, to download, or stream below.



“Herein lies the Global knot: The seemingly irreconcilable conflict between and among the haves, the have nots, the have a little but want more, and the have a lot but are never content. There must be a better way.”

Don Edward Beck is a teacher, geopolitical advisor, and theorist focusing on applications of large scale psychology, including social psychology, evolutionary psychology, organizational psychology and their effect on human sociocultural systems.

Show notes

*a momentous leap that humanity is about to make

*we are trying to jettison an old order and embrace a new one

*embracing what the world is becoming

*we can go back to the future and forward to the past

*all the value system are appearing on Earth at the same time

*every solution presents the next set of problems

*not sure what nature is saying to us yet, but listening very closely

*what is the system maker, the generator of these systems? Why is what is next next?

*no point to get rid of what we do not want without specifying what we do want

*worked intimately on the end of apartheid in South Africa

*what if the real differences are not about the obvious 'race' and 'religion' but about deep value systems?

*we are an evolutionary intelligence

*life is an attempt to cope with changing life conditions while managing the new ones

*those people who are working in the 7th and 8th code operate from humility

*Spiral Dynamics is not a behavioural system, it is a thinking system and values system

*after the World Cup Rugby win of  1995 in South Africa many South Africans became "South African's" for the very first time (See Invictus, the movie)

*it's possible to perform miracles if one is willing to change the categories of how we see people and see how they fit together using natural design

*If you get Ebola and you are in Palestine where would you want to go? You would want to go to Israel for treatment. So why would you want to destroy Israel?

*the 7th code asks...is it functional?

*it's a yeasty time

*what is humanities master code?

*no more prizes for forecasting the rain, only prizes for building the ark


Elza Maalouf and her new book, Emerge, The Rise of Functional Democracy and the Future of the Middle East

Clare W. Graves

Spiral Dynamics, the book

Conscious Capitalism movement


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 2:23AM The podcast, Season #1, Episode #12 - Kevin Kelly - Senior Maverick Wired Magazine

2:23AM The podcast, Season #1, Episode #12 - Kevin Kelly - Senior Maverick Wired Magazine

I was so excited when I got a reply from Kevin Kelly saying yes to the podcast. For those of you who do not know who Kevin is, he is easily considered the wise oracle and elder of technology. Anyone in the tech space will pay attention to what Kevin says. He was one of the founders of Wired Mag, and is now its senior maverick.

I have been following the work of Kevin for many years now. He has such a whole systems view of technology. He is also a keen photographer, a hiker, father, world traveler and uses technology with great consideration. Plus he is a maker.

I particularly loved the close of this podcast where he talks about cool and useless tools, about humans being less efficient.

I do hope you enjoy this episode.

To listen in itunes, soundcloud, stitcher, to download, or stream below.



Kevin Kelly is Senior Maverick at Wired magazine. He co-founded Wired in 1993, and served as its Executive Editor from its inception until 1999. He is also editor and publisher of the popular Cool Tools website, which has been running for 11 years. From 1984-1990 Kelly was publisher and editor of the Whole Earth Review, a journal of unorthodox technical news. He co-founded the ongoing Hackers' Conference, and was involved with the launch of the WELL, a pioneering online service started in 1985. He authored the best-selling New Rules for the New Economy, the classic book on decentralized emergent systems, Out of Control, as well as a new theory of technology, What Technology Wants. His most recent book is the self-published best-seller Cool Tools: A Catalog of Possibilities.

Show notes

*On the optimist chart he is a 10 out of 11, as to where we are headed as a people and society

*Small concerns about us not having a very good consensus around cyber conflict, we do not have rules for that. Concerned about species loss from our increasing technium.

*The technium has a behaviour of its own and has a developmental trajectory where some things are inevitable, such as robots.

*Technology is not as far from life and humans as he thought

*Was part of the internet in 1981, one of the first 10 people

*We have engineered ourselves as humans, we have domesticated ourselves as humans, changed our genes through our choice of food.

*We are not separate from the technium, but have created it, so we are both the creators and at effect of it. The parent and the child. This means we will always have conflicted feelings with the technium.

*Whole Earth catalog was the web on news print.

*The web is not good at curating. So many choices.

*Cool Tools - You can rent a bulldozer, build a log cabin, run for local office and win, etc..

*The internet is an amplifier and it amplifies both good and bad

*"What is an act of aggression? What is a border? What is national sovereignty? All the basic assumptions are all up for question.

*Focus on opportunities rather than fears.

*Exotrophy the opposite of entropy. Increase order due to the rate of entropy.

* When we invent things we are part of the great arc of evolution.

*Cool an useless tools = art.

*Big believer in doing things that aren't productive, that are done out of love and passion, because more things are invented during this time.

*Artists in residence are a great asset.

*Sometimes it is better to be inefficient.

*Productivity is for robots.



Cool Tools The Book

Cool Tool website

New Rules for the New Economy

Out of Control, the book

What Technology Wants, the book

Stephen J Gould

Kevin's latest article in Wired Mag. The Future of Artificial Intelligence

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Category:Business -- posted at: 1:21am EDT

Polly Higgins -The Earth needs a good lawyer

The remarkable Polly Higgins is my guest today. I had become aware of her work several years ago then heard her talk in Brisbane in early 2014. As a life long student of Buckminster Fuller, Polly is a trimtab, taking what might look like a very small action that will have massive implications for the long term health of Earth. I simply love her work. She has a deep respect for business which is rare for someone so passionate about the long term health of Earth.

To listen on itunes, soundcloud, stitcher, to download, or stream below.


Bio, in Polly's words

I am someone who cares deeply about the Earth. I’m also a lawyer who loves the Earth. It’s not often lawyers talk about love – and it can feel strange to do so. However, I believe love and law can be brought together and when the two meet, the potential to create new laws that put people and planet first is born.

I’m rethinking law; my vision is a world that works from one simple overriding principle: ‘first do no harm.’  That is a world where people are thriving in harmony with nature. I believe in well-being for all beings and I apply permaculture principles to new law.

My latest book is I Dare You To Be Great. Due out on the 1st of November 2014, you can pre-order it here.

I have also written Eradicating Ecocide and Earth is our Business – both of which examine in depth the power of a law of Ecocide to enable individuals, communities, governments and NGO’s to bring to court prosecutions to examine the evidence of a given Ecocide and have the support of the law to prevent, prohibit and in some instances pre-empt the mass damage and destruction that is causing or is likely to cause significant harm.

In recognition of my services to the Earth, in 2013 I received Honoris Causa Business Doctorate from the Business School of Lausanne, took the seat as the Honorary Arne Naess Professor at Oslo University, was named the Earth’s Lawyer by the Change Awards and ‘One of the world’s top ten visionary thinkers’ by the Ecologist Magazine.

My current focus of enquiry is on leadership crime, closing the door to dangerous industrial activity and creating a legal duty of care.

Much of my time is put to best use writing, speaking and advising on an international law of Ecocide. I advise at all levels; governmental, legal and non-legal. I connect with a wide-range of organisations, NGO’s and lawyers. I am a barrister, author and Chairwoman of the Eradicating Ecocide Global Initiative. I co-founded the Earth Law Alliance and I am a leading advocate for Earth law.  You can read more about my work here.

I love nature and I seek out the wild.


Show notes

*Bringing the law of ecocide into International Law, this will create a level playing field right across the board.

*CEO's and directors must determine if there activity is going to cause harm, and if so, it becomes criminal activity

*Those who move fast will have first mover advantage.

*5 year ecocide amnesty period - allows the time to train people up in new skills

*Currently we have treaties, conventions and protocols, which do not have any enforcement mechanisms. So zero consequences if you do not follow through.

*Criminal law has consequences. Ecocide will be part on International Criminal Law.

*The law will apply to CEO's, Heads of State etc.

*The law at the moment is to put the shareholders first.

*Politicians are falling into the trap of putting profit first and short term thinking. They are saying this is a 'good' harm, because it helps the economy today.

*In criminal law it is an aggravating feature if you are making money out of something that is causing harm. There is no such thing as a good or bad harm. There is simply harm.

*Why have we become so numbed out about the harm we have been doing to the Earth?

*Got expelled from school for standing up to a teacher who was bullying a child. (Including punching the teacher - using fists not recommended)

*Morally what we are doing to the Earth is a crime.

*The law plays catch up with where the society is going.

*Assistance is required for companies during the transition.

*The flow of investment won't touch a company that is undertaking criminal activity.

*"The Earth is in need of a good lawyer." How do we create a legal duty of care for the earth.

*A quester asks a big question.

* Propose that this law is tabled in the next year, 2015, and be fully operational in 2020. It requires one Head of State who is a signatory to the Rome Statue to call for this to be amended.

*Keeping this out in the public domain in a big way. Ecocide was to become an international crime between 1985 and 1996 when it was removed during a closed door meeting.

*Ecocide was proposed in 1972, and perhaps even earlier.

*"Had I known what was going to be involved I would have said no way."

*"My way of being is aligned with my way of doing." With what I value in life.

*Daring myself to be great. Believe there is something greater at play. It has been an exploration of what it is to dare to be great.

*When human law is aligned with spiritual law then harmony shall prevail.

*First do no harm and when we do that all that flows from it can only be beautiful.

*"Thinking dutifully, acting beautifully." Arne Naess

*From significant harm to significant harmony

*Ecocide is a trimtab

*Inner ecocide

*Where do you choose to put your energies in life? Align with what you care about and what you are doing. How to fast -track...

*The eye of the storm, in the middle of deepest doubt...go back to first principles.

*Enough....there must be another way. Calling in the help. Where can I go here? The help comes from deep within. Allow yourself to feel that deep pain. Now how can I use my unique skills to take this forward?

*Getting better at feeling, not just feeling better. If we do not feel we numb out, and our decision making becomes corrupt.

*Corrupt = cour (the heart) rupturing of the heart. The inability to feel.



Polly Higgins

Rome Statute

Eradicating Ecocide

Arne Naess

Deep ecology

Buckminster Fuller

I Dare You to Be Great, book

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Category:Business -- posted at: 8:38pm EDT

2:23AM Podcast Season #1, Episode #10 - Cindy Wigglesworth - On Spiritual Intelligence and the frontiers of leadership

2:23AM Podcast Season #1, Episode #10 - Cindy Wigglesworth - On Spiritual Intelligence and the frontiers of leadership

As someone who has worked for nearly 20 years in leadership development I simply love Cindy's work. We first met in Sydney several years ago where I was impressed by the beautiful articulation Cindy has around her work with Spiritual Intelligence that only comes through years of atunement, refinement and profound commitment. Spiritual Intelligence is an intelligence whose time has come.

If you are remotely interested in your own development as a leader, a human being, a lover, parent or entrepreneur, then the work of SQ is something to consider.

To listen on itunes, soundcloud, stitcher, to download, or listen below.



Cindy Wigglesworth, President, Deep Change

Cindy Wigglesworth, MA is the author of the best-selling and award-winning book SQ21: The Twenty-One Skills of Spiritual Intelligence (SelectBooks, 2012)

Her SQ21 spiritual intelligence self-assessment has created a validated and diversity-appropriate way of having spiritual conversations in the workplace. John Mackey, co-CEO of Whole Foods Market, calls her SQ approach “the next frontier in leadership.”

Cindy founded her business, now called Deep Change, in 2000 after working at ExxonMobil for 20 years in Human Resources management. She teaches leadership development and focuses on the multiple intelligences required for success in our personal and professional lives.

Cindy has spoken at numerous conferences including: TEDx Sonoma County, TEDx Lower East Side, Conscious Capitalism, Integral Leadership in Action, Business and Consciousness, Spirit in Business, Spirit at Work and the World Business Academy. Cindy has appeared on Oprah, PBS, Fox26 News and numerous radio programs and conferences. Her blog can be found on the Huffington Post.

 Show notes

*Spiritual Intelligence = The ability to behave with wisdom and compassion while maintaining inner and outer peace regardless of the situation.

*Will we grow up fast enough to solve all the problems we have created?

*From white picket fence to Bombay aged 6.

*What does it mean to be a good human being?

*For Cindy the personal and global have been married since the beginning.

*"If I just studied hard enough I would find something that would help me figure this all out."

*How grown up are we? Can we handle the complexity of the systems in which we are embedded?

*Overdeveloped IQ, thinking this would solve all problems. "We get that you are really smart, however you are somewhat annoying to be around."

*Listening to people is a radically good idea.

*As the who that she was changed her leadership changed and she became far more effective, yet she was doing none of the usual expert self stuff. No longer able to tell people, "Here is the solution."

*The difference between a facilitative leader versus a more traditional one.

*What if I came in with not knowing?

*How do human beings grow up?

*How have the noblest people, like the Nelson Mandela's and Gandhi's get to the place of humility? It's not that they are perfect. It's not that they have zero ego, which is probably not attainable.

*Is my ego running my life or is my higher self running my life?

*The ego grows up as it expands the circle of concern for others, from little me, to me and my family, to me and my family and my city, to me, my family, my city, and my nation...to the whole world and all sentient beings.

*Each time a layer of ego is peeled off it feels like your skin is raw.

*Talk about the skills and stay away from beliefs.

*Spirituality defined as an innate human need to be connected to something larger than our selves.

*Religion is the structure we create as human beings to help us in support of our spiritual hunger.

*An intelligence is an innate potential that is brought into form through practice. (for example, musical ability needs practice.)

*Spiritual Intelligence is a set of skills that is something more than IQ and EQ, that distinguishes these exemplars that we keep pointing to. (Nelson Mandela etc) What makes Gandhi different from a person you really like that has outstanding interpersonal skills? There is something more. This is spiritual intelligence.

*Aware of your ego self and higher self and choosing to live with your higher self in charge. If you are not interested in either of these two things then SQ is not for you.

*The four intelligences of leadership. Physical, Emotional, IQ, and Spiritual Intelligence

*Holding multiple perspectives simultaneously is a sign of high SQ.



*Deep Change, Spiritual Intelligence

*Cindy's TEDx talks as hosted on TEDx sites: and here.

*OR you can see THEM ON YOUTUBE where Cindy gets credit for views. And here.

*Author page on Amazon:




Please leave comments here, or even better on itunes, which helps us spread the word of the podcast.

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2:23AM, the podcast, Season #1, Episode #9 - Hugo Spowers, Riversimple - redesigning cars, redesigning business

2:23AM, the podcast, Season #1, Episode #9 - Hugo Spowers, Riversimple - redesigning cars, redesigning business

Wow, wow, wow...Riversimple is not just about redesigning cars and redesigning business...what Hugo and his team have done over the last 15 years is turn how we engage in business on its head. As a follow on to the last episode with Frederic Laloux, Hugo is building a business in a very traditional area (car manufacturing) but turning it completely on its head. No tinkering here. This is a new model. It is quite breathtaking. I want one of his cars, now.

Enjoy this episode.


To listen on itunes, on stitcher,



Chief engineer and founder, Hugo has a passion for zero emission vehicles. An Oxford University trained engineer and entrepreneur, he founded and ran a business designing and building racing cars and restoring historic racing cars. Environmental concerns led him away from motorsport; the focus of his MBA at Cranfield University was a feasibility study into bringing hydrogen fuel cell cars to market. He founded OScar Automotive in 2001, which became Riversimple in 2007. The first fuel cell car to emerge was the LIFECar, developed by a consortium Hugo brought together with Morgan and presented at the Geneva Motorshow in 2008. The small  Hyrban technology demonstrator followed in 2009. Hugo is responsible for all the technical aspects of the new car in development and for the architecture of the business itself.


Show notes

*2:23AM moments- will people ever wake up?

*highly efficient, resource neutral cars are entirely possible, the problem is people and politics

*much easier to work from the outside of the motor industry than from the inside

*First car complete March 2015, beta test late 2015, production 2017

*disruptive shift in technology comes from left field, starts in a niche market, the niche is too small for the incumbent, it leads to a change in segmentation of the market, and the incumbent is in a very mature market (the automotive one of the most mature markets)

*car is now unfit for purpose

*the luxury of a clean sheet of paper allows you to think much more freely

*huge constraints in changing direction

*when you bring people in from the incumbent industries you do have to be sure the people are aligned to your values and purpose

*the purpose of Riversimple is “To pursue, systematically, the elimination of the environmental impact of personal transport”

*backcasting process....imagining a future where we have got sustainable transport, leads you to make very different decisions

*being less unsustainable is still not sustainable

*trying to align the interests of all the actors in the system, rather than focusing on the technology and profit margin and trying to push that into the market

*make more money doing the right thing

*selling a performance contract on a car, will never sell a car. Selling mobility. This contact covers literally everything...fuel, road tax, cost of the car..everything. This changes completely the drivers for the business - no longer wanting to sell more cars, but to sell cars that have the lowest possible running costs/more efficient and the most longevity

*in a sale of product world you are rewarded for resource maximization..the more product you churn through the more you are rewarded. Riversimple is rewarded for resource efficiency.

*Cannot have a sustainable industrial society based on rewarding industry for the opposite of what we are trying to achieve

*Open sourcing the technology

*don't buy fuel cells for the car from suppliers but instead pay for kilowatt hours - buying the service rather than the product

*business model of this last century isn't well suited to the business model of this next century

*explicit about the fact that Riversimple does not want people to take the car through environmental guilt, but because they want it

*can't maximise the goodwill of stakeholders if their interests are subordinated to the interest of the shareholders

*6 different stakeholder groups. The investors, the environment, the customers, the staff, the commercial partners, the community (no direct commercial relationship)

*the fiduciary responsibility of the board is to pursue the purpose (as above) whilst balancing and protecting the 6 benefit streams of the custodians

*answering the need for control in a different way

*customers on a need not to know basis, vs a need to know

*have to get very used to being told it can't be done

*whole systems design - don't optimise by looking at a bit of the car, need to look at the whole system

*trying to fit a radical idea into an old context will not work

*if we had tried to do this quicker we would have failed

*to change things and implement a new model rebelliousness and courage are required

*"we are to be the architect of the future, not its victims" R. Buckminster Fuller

*three different levels of design. D1 design of product and services, D2 is the design of systems, D3 is the design of ideology




Steve Evens, Professor at Cambridge

Sebastian Piech, Chairman

Joanna Macy, 3 Levels of Change



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Frederic Laloux, Reinventing Organizations

2:23AM The Podcast, Season #1, Episode #8 - Frederic Laloux, Reinventing Organizations

My guest today is Frederic Laloux, author of the very important management and business book, Reinventing Organizations. I consider this one of the most important books on business and management systems of this last decade, if not of this next decade. Frederic has researched those rare organisations around the world who have thrown away the traditional top down organisational structure, and adopted organisations of distributed intelligence and distributed power. These organisations are located all around the world, across multiple industries, and many have been in operation for decades in very tough markets. Yet they outperform every time..even though performance is not the goal.

If you are someone who yearns for organisations that operate with fluidity, have no extra layers of management, enables everyone to have power of choice and action, frees up the CEO to focus on creativity and stewardship, then you will love this interview and the book. You can tell by reading Frederic's Bio that he is not someone who conforms to business or life as usual.

To listen on itunes, on soundcloud, on stitcher, to download.



Frederic Laloux is a man of many projects that he tries to square, not always easily, with his inner knowing that he is meant to live a simple life, spending much time with his family and whenever possible in the silent presence of trees.

Among other things, Frederic advises leaders of organizations who feel called to explore fundamentally new ways of organizing. His research in the field of emerging organizational models, published in his book Reinventing Organizations has been described as “groundbreaking,” “spectacular,” “world-changing,” and “a leap in management thinking” by some of the most respected scholars in the field of human development and management.

A former Associate Partner with McKinsey & Company, Laloux holds an MBA from INSEAD, and a degree in coaching from Newfield Network in Boulder, Colorado. He has traveled widely and speaks five languages fluently. Frederic Laloux lives in Brussels, Belgium, where he is blessed to share his life with his wife, Hélène, and their two children.

Show notes

*acknowledgement and sadness of the wounds we are inflicting onto the planet and ourselves

*what type of questions will our Grandchildren ask us?

*everything in his life has prepared him for this book

*the soullessness of the big corporations

*inquire into what would be the most meaningful thing I could do? Not the most impactful, simply the most meaningful thing now, and if I did this the Universe would provide me with an income

*fundamental departures from our current understanding of management

* a shift from the pyramid and layers of hierarchy that are common in today's organisations

*the human brain of 80 billion cells do not have a boss, they have very clear co-ordinating mechanisms

*systems of distributed intelligence into the organisation. No one is the boss of anyone else

*not flatland by any means, you cannot do whatever you want

*everyone is powerful and has the power to make it happen

*precondition for this to work is a founder/CEO who is fully willing to not be the all powerful person, to no longer have top down authority

*the CEO must play by the same rules as everyone

*the power and control is baked into the system

*diss-identified from their ego

*the advise process

*don't have a career plan, a life based around expressing the most meaningful choices is an emergent one

*the last thing he wants to do is restrict the circulation of these ideas

*the gift economy



*CEO of Unilver, Paul Polman

*Reinventing Organizations, the book

*Maslow's hierarchy of needs

*Ken Wilber

*Spiral Dynamics

*Integral Theory

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2:23AM podcast, Season #1, Episode #7 - Jonathan Jay -The Mindset of an entrepreneurial 'lifer' - solving problems, making decisions, self belief

2:23AM podcast, Season #1, Episode #7 - Jonathan Jay -The Mindset of an entrepreneurial 'lifer' - solving problems, making decisions, self belief

My guest is Jonathan Jay. We met in 2001 in Chicago and have been friends since. Jonathan knows his strengths in business. He loves the game of business, how to build and grow businesses. He is extraordinary at marketing. He also has a really good heart. He is generous and kind. One day a few years ago when I was struggling, he sent me a package of all the materials that comprised his product, as a gift. (Sent from the UK to Australia no less.) When my daughter was ending her gap year European tour, and found herself broke in London, Jonathan took her in. He was the typical bachelor at that stage and Natalie tells me that what was in his fridge was so far passed its used by date it was cultivating other species. She had to go hungry for a little longer. Fortunately for the many people who have benefited from Jonathan's work he sticks to business and not domestic pursuits.

Please enjoy this episode.



Jonathan Jay has run his own businesses from the age of 19 and sold two of them, the first when he was 26 and the most recent in 2007 for c£5 million pounds. His current business employs 25 staff in SW London and is the UK market leader provider of marketing services to small businesses with 60,000 members.

Jonathan’s previous company turned over a million pounds in the first year and made a million pounds net a few years later. He has advising companies on marketing since 1999 as he is considered expert on the subject as a result of his business track record.

He has written five books, the first in 2003, all on marketing. He has presented TV shows for BBC2 and a business show called ‘Now I’m The Boss” and commented on business and marketing on BBC Breakfast, CNBC News and Sky News. He has been a guest on over 25 radio shows.

At the Business Start Up Show, for five consecutive years he headlined on the main stage and appeared on a Dragon’s Den style panel with Peter Jones from the TV show and at another event with Duncan Bannatyne.

He has been featured in The Sunday Times (as a marketing expert), The Financial Times (as entrepreneur of the week), The Observer (where his company was cited as the number one in its field in the UK), The Daily Mail and The Daily Express – all very positively.

He regularly is the guest entrepreneur at Young Enterprise awards ceremonies where he lectures and awards the prizes. He has run marketing seminars where he has donated over £10,000 to Great Ormond Street Hospital in entrance fees.

Mr Jay is an accomplished businessman and marketing expert who always speaks from experience. In 2010 he was the top European in an international competition to find the Marketer of the Year, held in Atlanta USA.

Show notes

*Work may start to define you...a bad day at work may then affect everything

*Do you have a clear definition between work and the rest of your life?

*When people start a business they often think that the business is going to liberate them, yet it might end up having them on a bigger hamster wheel than the one they left

*First business card aged 12 years old

*Stage performance taught him how to not be afraid to be on stage, how to market himself and the value of focused work

*When you create friction in the market place, ruffling a few feathers, you might be doing something right

*Flaw - swapping time for money

*How can I construct something that works when I am not there?

*Didn't feel like he was failing, rather...he learned to morph things into something else

*Overnight everything changed

*From zero to a million pounds revenue in 12 months...

*Another pile of final demands...printed in red ink...what kept him focused when this was happening?

*The deep down believe that he was better than the evidence that was presented to him

*"I have complete belief in my ability to succeed, I didn't allow myself the opportunity of failing"

*Successful personality - positive, resilient, don't take things personally

*Important to have a life outside of work

*No correlation between the number of hours you work and the success of your business

*Most business owners don't focus on doing the right things

*Can I do something bigger and better than the last thing?

*It's so much about mindset

*I love the feeling of being able to conquer my doubts and fears

*It's a bit of a game. If you take it too seriously it can be damaging

*Mastery of the art of business, not about being right and perfect, but being prepared

*If something doesn't go according to plan...move on quickly

*The better you are at solving problems and making decision the better you will be at business

*Every problem has a solution

*The more he focuses on the personal stuff the better he is finding work

*The people who can disengage from their business are the ones doing better

*Get other people to do what you are not good at, work your strengths

*The Virgin group didn't become successful because they have a great filing system

*DOA = delegate, outsource, automate



Digital Lighthouse

Laura Berman Fortgang

Brian Tracy

The Magic of Thinking Big, David Schwartz


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2.23am The Podcast Season #1, Episode 6 - Robb Smith - The path of large scale systems transformation

 2.23am The Podcast Season #1, Episode 6 - Robb Smith - The path of large scale systems transformation

Robb and I met in Brazil in 2009 at the State of the World Forum. When I began the 2.23am journey Robb was one of the people I went to for advise, mentoring, brainstorming, emotional and mental support. Only last Christmas, when the project was still in ideation stage, Robb encouraged me that this was really OK. (When most people would criticize for seeming lack of ideal to action after nearly two years.)

Robb is one of those people who has a big mission in life. That journey is never easy. In this conversation you will get a sense of both the size of the mission and the habits that sustain the journey. You will also get a feel for Robb's entrepreneurial strength and his very unique skills...technology, spirituality, philosophy and venture capital.

To listen on itunes, soundcloud, or stitcher,


To download transcript Robb Smith, Season #1, Episode #6


Robb's Bio

Robb is a social entrepreneur dedicated to fostering the new “Transformation Age” at the intersection of human development, technology and civilizational sustainability. At 21 he started Nevada Ventures, the state’s first venture capital fund, and co-founded the Reno-Tahoe chapter of Entrepreneur’s Organization. He established the Nevada Ventures Nanoscience Program at the University of Nevada, recognized by Scientific American for the world’s most significant biodefense technology in 2004. He was a director of RetailOne, National Car Wash Systems and Alere, which became the largest population health company in the United States (NYSE: ALR). He cofounded NevadaNano, which in 2013 won an R&D 100 as one of the top technologies in the world. He then joined Ken Wilber to spearhead the integral consciousness movement, where he fostered metadisciplinary work including the Journal of Integral Theory and Practice, Integral Spiritual Experience and WhatNEXT. In 2007 he was a founding member of Conscious Capitalism Institute, dedicated to transforming capitalism into a vehicle for greater love and trust worldwide. In 2011 he co-founded Chrysallis. He is a past Trustee of the Nevada Museum of Art and a current Trustee of Desert Research Institute. He has been named Nevada’s Young Entrepreneur of the Year and was nominated for the 2012 TED Prize.
TEDx: The Transformational Life  Twitter: @robbsmith

 Show notes

*Disparity in the world - economic, health, relevance

*USA 80 million people pre- diabetic, 120 million people with chronic disease

*Health is the new wealth

*Fear of not being relevant

*Transform the people, the systems, the consciousness inside business

*What does transformation mean technically inside the human brain?

*Living koan - How do we help large numbers of people be happier, healthier, be more productive, feel more engaged in life - in ways that are genuinely deeply grounding

*Prevailing narratives may be misleading - self congratulatory feel to humanity now - how smart we are.

*Large systemic issues like obesity are highly resistant to being influenced

*Evolution always does work out fine in the end. Humans may suffer a lot.

*The USA particularly has been living on a post WW2 dividend, which is now over (as of 2008)

*70 % of people don't feel engaged by their work today

*Flow states, signature strengths, living into your purpose

*Marry your top 2-3 signature strengths with your daily activity in an area that you are passionate about and you will create more flow states. This is evidence based.

*Be careful of purpose surfing

*Expertise at the intersection of technology, philosophy, spirituality and venture capital

*To stay sustained there are 3 levels of practice (1) good life hygiene (2) psycho-emotional - growth mindset (3) (a.) the ego/identity doesn't exist (b.) all effort is ignorance

*Any time we are expending effort (distinction) with a goal to change the world, we are causing as much perturbation as we are healing

*Affectionate non attachment

*Addiction to transient highs that come from achievement

*Realise you are nothing, and then you become identified with everything (Vedanta)

*Your waking up opportunity is right here right now.. and enjoy the journey

*In flow you do not have an attachment to what you are doing. All effort, no attachment

*Flow is a non egoic, non temporal state

*Simplification requires a move into greater discernment

*We don't know how to be bored...

*The biggest fear of all...the fear of being ordinary




Integral Life

Ken Wilber

Conscious Capitalism


Carol Dweck, Growth Mindset

TEDx talk - The Transformational Life

Ramana Maharshi





* Yoda, Empire Strikes Back, "Do or do not, there is no try."

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2.23am The Podcast- Season#1, #5 - Jim Breen - Going for exceptional, making the impossible possible

2.23am The Podcast- Season#1, #5 - Jim Breen - Going for exceptional, making the impossible possible

Today's guest is the exceptional Jim Breen. We met in 2013 over breakfast on the Gold Coast. Ever the Irish man, the conversation was an adventure in story telling. I have the sketch in my note pad of how Jim planned Cycle Against Suicide. I refer to that sketch at least once a week as I build 2.23am. Having now spent time with Jim in Ireland, participated in a Cycle Against Suicide spin off, and met many of the wonderful people in Jim' life, I can say that Jim is only just getting started. Strap in folks, you are in for a wonderful ride. Inspiring, world changing...all of that.


To download the transcript. Season1, #5 Jim Breen

About Jim

To describe Jim Breen in one sentence would be to say that he tucks into the engine of innovation, pegs its throttle, and drives it forward. With speed. As CEO and Founder of PulseLearning (www.PulseLearning.com), that same velocity found face in PulseLearning winning the Deloitte Fast 50 award for the fastest growing IT company in Ireland.


But Jim is not about awards. He is about inciting others to realise their goals, reach their objectives and attain their dreams – an endeavour that takes its form in his founding of TriGrandPrix (www.trigrandprix.com). In a similar vein, he founded the internationally acclaimed Entrepreneur Experience, fueled by his passion for nurturing and mentoring emerging entrepreneurs and innovators.


Jim is an originator, an architect of invention, a tireless thinker and a rogue rule breaker. But he makes things happen. Big things. Being invited to take part in “The Secret Millionaire” television programme has seen him spark a nationwide discussion on mental heath issues along with the birth of his brainchild - Cycle Against Suicide (www.CycleAgainstSuicide.com) – a confrontational campaign than pinpoints the scourge of suicide as a foe to be confronted and overcome. If suicide is a war, then Jim, along with the support he has garnered, is a serious army.


His own personal history is drenched in challenges – from Ironman to marathons, international rowing to winning the British and Irish Senior Intervarsity Boxing Championships. Jim does not retreat, he merely re-calculates. If any given fight sees him punching above his weight, well then, he just bulks up!

Show notes

*people to reach far above average in things they are passionate about, that serves their purpose

*risk putting your head above the parapet

*mental illness isn't sexist, racist or ageist

*what wakes him - 'good enough is not OK' Go for the exceptional

*surrounds himself with exceptional people, the outliers, rule breakers

*let go of what needs to be let go

*it is all about trust

*in a rapidly changing world you have got to hang on to what is truest in you

*concerned right now about the level of trust (or lack of) that exists in organisations

*the 5% moments...when you are being tested

*we judge ourselves by our intentions. Others judge us by our impact

*if you have to revisit a contract you are already lost

*are you writing a resume or your epitaph?

*there are other senses you have to engage as an entrepreneur

*you have to believe that 'we can do the exceptional.'

*that is all very well in practice but it will never work in theory

*things are much more about we than I

*self-full vs selfish


Pulse Learning


Cycle Against Suicide

Cycle Against Suicide Facebook page

 To find out more about the 2.23am event in Dublin, 11-11-2014

Email christine@223am.com



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2.23am The Podcast, #4, DC Cordova - Social Entrepreneurship, Transforming Education, True Wealth
DC Cordova

My guest today is the divine DC Cordova. I first met DC as one her students in the mid 80's. Her commitment to social entrepreneurship and business for good has continued. During this conversation we discussed wealth, the love of cash and how to do all of this and create a better world.

Listen to this episode on itunes, soundcloud, stitcher,  download it here, or listen below. The transcript will be up in a few days.


DC Cordova is CEO of Excellerated Business Schools®/ Money & You®, a global organization with over 100,000 grads from Asia Pacific & North America in English / Chinese. Her program Money & You® has inspired some of today’s greatest wealth and business experts. Their work has helped spread the essence of her work to millions. DC is now opening the American company for the world’s only Solar Valley in Dezhou, China, Himin Solar, created by a billionaire with heart, Huang Ming http://www.excellerated.com/huang-ming

 Her purpose: To uplift humanity’s consciousness through socially-responsible business. Leading by example, DC is a philanthropist, humanitarian and is known as an Ambassador of New Education with a tireless pursuit to transform educational systems around the world and eradicate poverty and hunger.

 DC Cordova is a founding member of the Transformational Leadership Council (TLC), and the Southern California Association of Transformational Leaders (ATL); a facilitator for the Pachamama Alliance Symposium; council member of Women Speakers’ Association; international business development advisor for SuperLab, The California Women’s Conference and The WIN on Line organization; and she supports numerous nonprofits as mentor and champion.  

 She is the author of the comprehensive systems manual, Money Making Systems; and has co-authored many books. DC has participated in over a dozen motivational films and TV shows.

 Show notes

*How do we move the world from scarcity thinking to abundance so we can eradicate poverty and hunger?

*Creating a world that works 100% for all of humanity without ecological damage to anyone

*The only thing I could change that I had control over was my consciousness

*How we could accomplish so much more happiness by being of service to others

*I love wealth and I love cash

*Had to go into an inquiry about loving wealth and loving humanity

*True wealth is having access to networks, people, to be trusted, to make a contribution

*Many confuse wealth with money

*Money and assets are things that can be lost

*Wealth cannot be lost

*Do you react to "I love cash?"

* Any reaction that is not neutral around money or cash requires clearing

*Cash is the precessional effect of good work that is providing value

*The three different stages of money

*Uplifting the planets consciousness through business

*Jac Holzman and his 2.23am moment in a parking lot in Malibu

*Personal Development Industry is a US$100Billion a year industry

*People who are committed to money alone are not happier

*The whole planet is going into their 2.23am moments...let me wake up

*You don't always have to give up your "Miss Piggy" ways


You can read more about DC

The Werner Erhard Buckminster Fuller conversation

Huang Ming, her Chinese Renewable energy partner

4 Session Business Make-over on home page:

The Business Success Model  

Your Personal Productivity System

Precession, what is it

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2.23am The Podcast - Mark Rowland -The Red Pill, Roceteer Inc - Return on Community
Mark Rowland - The Red Pill, Roceteer Inc

2.23am The Podcast - Mark Rowland -The Red Pill, Roceteer Inc - Return on Community

Welcome to episode #3 of this series. Today I am delighted to be interviewing Mark Rowland, The Red Pill (That is his title...reference the movie, The Matrix, for this), of Roceteer Inc.


I first met Mark about a year ago, introduced by a mutual friend. We have never met in person. From our first meeting what impressed me the most about Mark was his huge generosity...the kind of generosity that comes from knowing at a deep level that we live in an abundant Universe. I am sure you will be able to tap into this spirit in Mark as he shares the work he is doing in the world...which is breathtaking and inspirational.


*English, Australian and now living in the US
*10 years with PwC in the consulting division working globally on strategy projects and helping companies through change and transitions
*4 years with Coles Myer as General Manager of Business Development, working as an intrapreneur
*4 years as Chief Executive Noodle of wagamama in Australia
*Co-Founder and CEO of Styletread an online pure play footwear retailer that grew rapidly with investments from Nine *Entertainment and Starfish Venture Capital which sold in a tradesale to Australia’s largest privately owned footwear wholesaler
*A trained coach, NLP master practitioner, Chartered Accountant and a degree in Management Science from the University of Manchester, UK

Show notes

*Mark wants to be able to unleash human potential first within the human, then within a company, and then within a community of companies

*Can we transcend awesome?

*Roceteer serves the entrepreneurial ecosystem of Tony Hsieh

*How do you create an entrepreneurial and all creative innovative ecosystem?

*Creating a huge social experiment

* You maybe never find the jewel of what is truly, truly amazing and unique in the world unless you try lots of things

* Return on Capital, Return on Community, Return on Co-Learning and Return on Collisions

* How can we take these four rocks and allow a community to flourish.

* The psychological makeup of an entrepreneur can lead to massive highs and optimism and risk taking and boldness and fearlessness and courage but then exactly the opposite as well.  A  lot of fear and insecurity and oh my God, what am I doing?

* The difference between self esteem and self confidence

*When you believe that your self esteem is conditional, and your self esteem is linked to the success of your company that’s very dangerous for any human to allow that to happen.
* Business and being a leader is 80% psychology and 20% skill
* There are other like-minded people in the world that want to really create community through an entrepreneurial spirit
*Moving towards a world of abundance versus a world of control
* Be open to unlimited infinite possibilities. What would the world be like if you actually have that mindset?



Learn more about Roceteer Inc

Find Mark on LinkedIn

Follow Mark on Twitter

The Matrix Movie

The Downtown Project

Delivering Happiness - make happiness your business model

Delivering Happiness the Book -


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Hiro Boga

Here is the transcript. Hiro Boga 223am.

I have been working with Hiro for the last year, having participated in both of her programs. I recommend anyone interested in a more whole expression of life and business to work with Hiro. I don't say this lightly as there are few teachers I do recommend. Hiro I recommend without reservation.

(This interview was recorded at my end while sitting outside by the river in the sun. You will hear the birds and at one point, a dog, in the background. Rather than find them distracting, I invite you to picture the scene of a beautiful sun filled morning, the sunlight sparkling off the river, birds singing away, while this rich conversation was occurring across the Pacific. (Queensland and Canada) I went to this location to be away from other noise, but nature decided it wanted to participate. Another lesson learned in this podcast learning exercise.)

Hiro  is a writer, business strategist and mentor to visionary leaders who are dedicated to shaping a world in which service and profit, soul and entrepreneurship, work hand in hand to create peace and prosperity for everyone. Over the past three decades, Hiro has helped thousands of clients and students reclaim joy, freedom, creative power and sovereignty in their businesses, their relationships, and their lives.

 As a mentor and teacher, Hiro blends transformative energy technologies, the magic of story, and grounded spiritual practices with pragmatic business strategies.

 Hiro offers two signature group programs each year: Become Your Own Business Adviser and How To Rule Your World From The Inside Out: The Art Of Inner Leadership.

She also works privately with visionary leaders to bring their most creative visions to life through a skillful blend of inner and outer work. The results are both practical and profound.

 Explore her writing, current offerings, and a wealth of other resources at HiroBoga.com

Just this last week Hiro wrote a piece about the origins of her name. This article will add significant context to Hiro as a person. It moved me deeply. Find it here.

Show notes

Conscious of the presence of time

The act of completion, approaching the last 20 years of productive life

Mortality - a different relationship with time

Go hard or go home - Hiro would always go home

The shift from looking at yourself from the outside in, to looking at yourself from the inside out

Once you have given your business everything and you are depleted, what will show up is depletion in you and in the world of your business

Will power is an extremely limited resource. Use it like a condiment, rather than the main course

Do something each day that has no purpose related to your business - something you do just for love

It's the things that you meet without an agenda that remind you of the truth of relationships. Agenda driven relationships are short term. They are transactional.

We are all born knowing who we are, knowing we have these amazing gifts and capacities - the process of growing up is learning how to negotiate the difference between the limitless capacities on a soul level and the limitations of a physical life.

There is a value to the individual life in the West that is not available in India.



Connect with Hiro on Facebook, Pinterest, & on Twitter @HiroBoga

The next (10th!) session of BYOBA begins on Sep. 15, and runs through to Dec. 1.

Hiro will teach a free preview teleclass, Create with Power, on Wednesday, Sep. 3rd at 10 am PT.
   Here’s where folks can sign up for the preview teleclass, and read more in-depth information about BYOBA:
You can  register for BYOBA here.


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Category:Business -- posted at: 12:09am EDT

Dr. David E. Martin is the Founder of M·CAM® the international leader in innovation finance, trade, and intangible asset finance. Actively engaged in global ethical economic development, Dr. Martin's work includes financial engineering and investment, public speaking, writing and providing financial advisory services to the majority of countries in the world. Dr. Martin is the architect and founder of the Global Innovation Commons and is the author of the international legal framework for the Heritable Knowledge Trust and Heritable Innovation Trust programs.

David and I have been friends since our first conversation in 2009, which inspired me to write this article on Field Effects, which is mentioned at the end of this episode.

Show notes

Business is about creating theatre

The old industrial model of business

The perpetually generative utility model of business

Four different ways to express business/enterprise

1. Predatory business model

2. Seductive business model

3. Responsive business model

4. Enterprise of emanation

How 'cheap' is it really to get displaced laborers away from their families for 6 months?

Is the balance sheet and P@L the only way to view business?

Building systems, metrics and approaches which explicitly render both the cost and the consequence.

A neglect of gratitude.

Integral Accounting.

What does sunlight and photosynthesis have to do with business?

We don't need to be creators, we need to be stewards.

Chaos is pre-ordered order.

From the enclosure and separation model to the inclusion and invitation model.


To visit the M-Cam web site

To see more about integral accounting, on the M-cam site, and in my series on integral accounting.

Dr David Martin on Bloomberg West - Is the US Patent system broken.

Global Innovations Commons

Heritable Innovations Trust

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